We were taught at CIA that even though you might rationalize that the objective is within the authority or control of the most powerful person that controls an organization or the most powerful person that controls a company or a government, that in reality, the actual decision makers are two, three, sometimes many, many steps removed from that one senior leader. So whether you're talking about a president of a country or a CEO, this idea of looking at the people who are accessible,

rather than trying to beat your head against a wall approaching the person who is not accessible.

Thank you for being on this podcast with me, because today is one of those days where I really don't want to record.

I know.

We went back and forth this morning via text like, oh, we should really do this day.

And we're in different places.

So it's like different things affecting us right now.

So what makes today hard for you?

Oh, my gosh.

So a couple of things.

First, it is freezing cold here.

I woke up and it's nine degrees in new

mexico where we are currently filming for the history channel show that sounds and then my whole lower

body is sore because i had a big leg workout two days ago so two days ago so it's not even like

second day soreness it's like third day soreness now. And the cold just

makes it that much worse. And then, oh yeah. And then it's like, and I had other calls this morning

and other podcast interviews this morning. So even though it's, you know, almost it's a little bit

afternoon, mountain time. Yeah. I mean, I've been on a camera. I've talked my butt off and my

butt sore and I'm freezing cold. So those are all my complaints. Thank you for caring.

Why don't, oh, you got some real problems on your side, huh? I have life problems, you know,

one of the kids is sick. So I stayed up late with one of them. And then I was

woken up at 5.30 by the other one who's sick today. And I'm pretty sure, you know, I'm just,

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