You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience.

And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

I was so paranoid about being followed that I was just walking up and down the streets of San Francisco like a mad woman, like turning three lefts and four rides and just having a breakdown because I was I was genuinely worried that they were

following me and that they would figure out that I went in the regulator's office and like I was

genuinely concerned for my personal safety. No one cares about that if anything happened to me like

I'm a drop in the bucket.

You may or may not have heard of Erica Chung, but chances are if you follow the news,

you'll have heard about what she did. It caused a very big splash. In her early 20s,

Erica exposed a scandal that brought down one of the most talked-about companies in the world

and put its two top people behind bars.

This is Lives Less Ordinary. Hello, I'm Joe Fidgen.

The company in question was Theranos, its founder and her partner, Elizabeth Holmes and Sani Bulwani.

They were claiming to have the technology to be able to tell from a few drops of blood

whether someone had a range of diseases.

They were lying.

And it took one of their most junior employees to blow the whistle at great personal risk.

...