Exposing Legalism In The Church | Breaking Free From Church Control
Revival Lifestyle with Isaiah Saldivar
Charisma Podcast Network
4.9 • 790 Ratings
🗓️ 12 November 2025
⏱️ 139 minutes
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Summary
In this powerful interview, Isaiah Saldivar sits down with best-selling author Alexander Pagani to discuss his brand-new book, Manipulated: 10 Toxic Traits of Legalism. Pagani exposes how legalistic churches can twist Scripture, use fear and control to dominate believers, and replace the grace of Jesus with man-made rules.
Drawing from his own experience in a cult-like denomination, Pagani reveals how legalism stifles spiritual growth, damages relationships, and leads to spiritual bondage. You’ll learn how to identify manipulation in leadership, break free from religious control, and rediscover the true gospel of grace, love, and freedom in Christ.
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| 0:00.0 | Is there a desire in you to not just attend revival, but live in revival? |
| 0:04.3 | Welcome to the Revival Lifestyle Podcast. |
| 0:06.7 | I'm your host, Isaiah Saldivar. |
| 0:08.5 | I've been in revival for the last 10 years, as well as traveling and being a part of many revivals throughout the United States. |
| 0:14.8 | I'm going to be sharing with you how to live a radical lifestyle of revival on a daily basis. |
| 0:38.3 | All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the broadcast. We are live with my good friend. I'll introduce him in a minute, but you already know him. Alexander Pagani. Thank you so much, bro, for being on. I'm praying that this all clears through because last night when I was live, I had an issue with restream so let me just double check oh yes it's working thank you lord i was praying i was praying |
| 0:42.9 | this would work because i'd issue with my live stream the other day but anyway everybody load in |
| 0:46.2 | the chat everyone saying can't wait blessings god bless you guys in the chat load in it's going to be |
| 0:50.8 | an amazing night this just feels like old times me and you on the live stream this uh well let's see |
| 0:56.4 | the first time you were on was episode six it's going to be an amazing night this just feels like old times me and you on the live stream |
| 0:54.8 | this uh well let's see the first time you were on was episode seven guys think about this |
| 0:59.8 | the first time he was on was episode seven we're on episode 210 so he has been here literally |
| 1:05.4 | literally been here since going to hand clap effect come on bro come on he's been here somewhere |
| 1:10.2 | hold on no it take me a minute to find it |
| 1:11.7 | but he's been here since the beginning when we first started going live together in those early days |
| 1:16.5 | these streams are so good we just kept doing it back to back i think we did like three weeks in a row |
| 1:20.7 | and uh that was february 2020 and so bro i just want to say i honor you i'm grateful for you |
| 1:26.2 | our friendship has been amazing you've been such a blessing in my life to say I honor you. I'm grateful for you. Our friendship has been amazing. |
| 1:28.2 | You've been such a blessing in my life. And I honor you, bro. So I want to thank you so much for being on tonight. It's going to be, it's going to be an awesome night. I remember that first conversation we had. I was, uh, you was more in the revival stream. And I was like, man, we can we could use some help here in deliverance, man. |
| 1:43.7 | Like, come over here. |
| 1:45.2 | And then, you know, |
| 1:46.3 | the Lord pushed you and thrusted you into this thing. So let me just also honor you, you know, |
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