All right, Eric, thank you so much for joining us.

So to start with your film, which I saw by the way, very good,

it draws a lot of parallels, especially at the beginning between what happened in Nazi,

Germany, in the 30s, with what in the church there and was happening with the American

church today.

Can you sort of lay out for the audience what those parallels are?

Yeah, and first of all, it's very shocking.

And I, you know, I can say that I'm an expert on this

because I wrote a 600 page book on the subject.

My Bonhoeffer book tells the story of when the Nazis were trying to take over in the early

30s. I mean we have to be clear most Germans and most Germans in the churches had no idea

no idea where it was going.

So you have the Nazis in a sense wanting not to wake up the church, wanting the church to

keep sleeping and let them gain control, let them gain control, and then of course at

some point the Nazis gained enough control that they could crush the church,

crush dissent in Germany.

That's basically where we are in America today.

You have many people thinking that, well, it's not so bad, or if it's bad, it'll get better.

They don't realize that in the churches specifically, God has given them the job, the assignment, to stand against evil.

And so the parallel with the German church is that they had many theological objections and excuses for doing nothing initially.

And the point is right in the beginning, 1933, 1934,

that was the time when they had the ability actually to do something.

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