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my greatest rivals to some of today's current heroes, I'm joined by Chris

Makadi, renowned spot broadcaster, as we bring you the on-tall stories but on and off the

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And boom, we're on and today's guest, we've got John Sutton, John Howarway.

I'm very well, James. Thank you very much for inviting me.

Thanks for coming on the show. You're a man who's spent time working in Britain's

most toughest prisons. You've worked over 10 years, you've written over 10 books.

A man who's very well experienced, you've exposed a lot of stuff in the

prison system as well. You've worked for some of the most dangerous

prisoners, from mothers, rapists, terrorists. You've worked with them all. But

first and foremost, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks very much. I'm pleased to

be here. I always like to go back to the start of my guest, John, get a bit

understanding about you. We had you grew up, hope it all began. Yeah. Well, first

of all, I'm the son of a police officer. And I honestly did believe you as a

young man that I would follow my father into the police. When it came time for me

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