This is the Exploring Astrology Podcast, and I'm your host Adam Summer.

It's time for a new story.

I suggest that the stories we need turned up right on time about 5,000 years ago.

We need a new story. We didn't just dream our carefully individuated thoughts. We got dreamt.

Got some new stories this time.

Got some new stories this time, ones to stretch the imagination, maybe even the believability of astrology.

It's a conversation between Mark Jones and I about the planetary nodes. Before the show, I was thinking how I've been aware of the planetary nodes really ever since I started studying astrology, yet I've never integrated them into my work. I'm not the only one. There's not too too many astrologers that I know that actually use the planetary nodes, especially the outer planetary nodes, they move quite slowly.

Yet, there's these ideas that come from Rudjar and Jeff Green

and others about their role in the collective destiny, almost like the nodes of the moon, but these are nodes of planets that have

larger story arcs, will say, and longer living dragons might I add and so by the end of this conversation

with Mark I found a new appreciation for the planetary nodes Mark kind of has this effect

so I'm a changing man and who knows. Maybe I will

start integrating these into my work and here's what Rujar says of these nodes in a pamphlet that he wrote in

I think 1971 that factors that are inherent in the essential destiny of the individual.

This is kind of an effect that the planetary nodes have.

They are factors which reach deeper than the natural biocycic functions which planets normally represent in the birth chart.

Just because the planet as a moving small disk of light in the sky is something that the personal

consciousness can normally perceive while the entire orbit that planet of that planet

has this cosmic fact that transcends sense perception. It's hard to read Rudjar. Very wordy little sentences, but there's this idea that it transcends the bio physical element of planetary but encompasses this very large orbit that we can consider maybe a

Cosmic and so Mark and I talk about the Capricorn Cancer Axis that is present in Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto as far as

their planetary nodes and this ferment that they might be creating in this slow or maybe not so slow release of

collective trauma maybe Pluto and Saturn being in Capricorn have something to do

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