This is the exploring astrology podcast where we are deciphering the symbolic language of God.

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But if you try to get one up on the universe and you're in competition with it. It means you don't

understand you are it.

Those are huge nuclear explosions billions of miles away.

And it goes on forever.

We go back to some more ancient understanding

about the relationship between humans and the creative mystery.

Consciousness is an amorphous expanding entity.

Hello, welcome to another exploring

astrology podcast, this a conversation with Wren Butler who is an

archetypal astrologer and holotropic breath work practitioner.

And that's pretty much going to be the show.

I'm not going to talk too much about the transits or anything like that going on.

But I just want to mention before we get into the meat of the conversation a little bit about what's going on, I guess, in this guy and why it relates to this conversation and all that kind of stuff.

And so I'm recording this on the 8th of February.

Looking in the sky, there's two things worthy of mention

that I think are very appropriate for the content of the conversation

Ren and I had. And one of them is that Venus is almost perfectly conjunct Chiron right now in the sky at 16 degrees of Pisces.

Why is this nice? Why does this relate? Well essentially, if

Venus is our feminine self.

If Venus relates to beauty and how we find it in ourselves and the world and people and experiences

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