Hi, I'm Zibi Owens, and this is Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.

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Thanks so much again for listening and thanks for reaching out. I'm really excited to be here today with Joe Piazza. Joe is an award-winning journalist, editor, travel writer, author, and podcaster. She has contributed to the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Magazine, Elle, Glamour, Marie-Clair, and many others. She has appeared on CNN, NPR, Fox, the BBC,

and MSNBC. She's written seven books, both nonfiction and fiction, including her most recent

Charlotte Walsh likes to win and How to Be Married. She also recently launched a podcast with the

How Stuff Works Network, which is now IHeartMedia, entitled Committed, in which she explores the factors that affect marriages,

a graduate of University of Pennsylvania with a master's in journalism from Columbia

and a master's in religious studies from NYU.

Joe currently lives in San Francisco, but is moving for a little bit with her husband,

son, and large dog.

So welcome to Joe.

Hey, thanks for having me. Thanks for doing this. Your latest book, Charlotte Walsh,

likes to win, is timed just perfectly. Did you have the idea for this book in mind for a while,

basically what happens to a woman running for the Senate, or did sort of the cultural zeitguise

pushed you in the direction of exploring the rise of the female candidates?

How did you come up with this idea?

You know, during the last election cycle, the last presidential election cycle, I really started thinking that I wanted to do a book about a female candidate.

And not just because of the female candidate, but because of all female candidates that were running and how the media treated them.

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