Hey, everybody. It's Tim Miller from the bulwark. The other morning I was on with David Pacman over on his

substack. And we don't get a lot of Pacman over here on the Bullwork YouTube channel. So I thought you

guys might be interested in hearing a bit of our discussion. It kind of asks me, you know,

what is the state of never Trumpism at this

point? We talk a bit about the news and the ways in which things are unraveling for the Trump

administration. It's a good combo where we get to, you know, flip it around and have me in the

answering chair. So I thought you guys would enjoy it.

We'd share it with you here.

So stick around for me and David Packman.

Tim, it's always good to see you, good to catch up.

I was just checking out your recent appearance on Pierce Morgan, where you told this pastor,

like, listen, this is my editorializing.

I am not going to treat you differently

because you're calling yourself pastor.

I'm gonna evaluate what you say objectively.

I'm curious, do you like doing those,

the Peers Morgan appearances?

Yeah, it's funny. I wish I had done more prep for this one because a lot of people saw this video. I think, and maybe part of this because I didn't do prep because I was just like, I don't, Doug Wilson, I know to be a hateful pastor that was an influencer of Pete Heggseth, and I know that he's done a bunch of anti-gay stuff.

I don't, you know, I don't follow his work that closely. And I didn't even know I was going to be on with him. I just, my peers Morgan policy is when I feel like I have anger, I want to get off my chest, I just say yes. You know, I say no, usually. but I'm like, if I have something I want to vent about,

I say yes.

And so I just said yes blindly.

I was like,

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