Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Red Men TV. My name is Dan Club. I'm delighted to be joined by the adapter and the director of the superb Red or Dead.

Philip, my friend, how are you? Okay.

I'm pretty good. Thanks for having me.

My pleasure. Looking forward to this one. Especially after, I've already told you this in our DMs,

but especially after enjoying, fully enjoying my night at the

Royal Court Liverpool this week and honestly it was excellent start to finish emotional

joyous informative everything and listen I'm not a huge lover of the theatre nor plays

nor anything of that ilk necessarily but it was exceptional so congratulations first and

foremost tell us about the story and the journey really and how you got involved how it came about

was it an easy decision for you to want to be involved in this well um first of all i mean you know

for uh not you know i've been happiest with the responses I've got from non-theater fans on the one hand and non-football fans on the other.

So that's, that's been, you know, really, really satisfying. And, you know, I don't really like much theatre either. So I'm, so I could share that one with you. But, well, first of all, it was, it was kind of, you know, as a match going around,

a bit going home and away for, you know, God, nearly 30 years now, good grief.

And so that, in a sense, that makes me a kind of a prime candidate.

And how it came about was, you know, I'd read the Dam United.

A friend of mine for a birthday had given me a book token.

He said, go out and buy the Dam United, which I did.

And I thought it was incredible.

I was doing a job in glasgow um saw that

he had a new book out and it was about shankley and i thought well this is you know this is sort of

right up my street and then um but saw when i bought it just how thick it was you know and i read

it to um i thought well i'll read it on the bus, probably take me a couple months.

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