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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Appetel, editor and chief of the virgin. Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.

We have a very special episode today. I'm talking to Sundar Pachai, the CEO of Google and Alphabet.

We spoke the day after Google I.O. the company's big developer conference where Sundar introduced new generative AI features in virtually all of the company's products.

It's an important moment for Google, which invented a lot of the core technology behind the current AI moment.

Company is very quick to point out that the T in chat GPT stands for Transformer, the large language model technology first invented at Google.

But OpenAI and others have been first to market with generative AI products.

And OpenAI in particular has partnered with Microsoft on a new version of Bing that feels like the first real competitor to Google search in a long time.

So I wanted to know what Sundar thinks of this moment. And in particular what he thinks about the future of search, which is the heart of Google's business.

Web search right now can be pretty hit or miss. There's a lot of weird content forms out there and AI based search might be able to just answer questions in a more natural way.

But that means remaking the web and really remaking Google.

And Sundar is already going down the path of remaking Google. He just reorganized Google and Alphabet's AI teams, moving a company called DeepMind inside Google and merging it with the Google Brain AI group to form a new unit called Google DeepMind.

You know, I can't resist an org chart question. So we talked about why he made that decision and how he made it.

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