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THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

Exclusive!!! Behind the Scenes as MC and Trump Go Head to Head + A Conversation with Stuart Stevens

THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

Audio Up Media

News, Politics

4.78.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Mea Culpa welcomes the Lincoln Project advisor Stuart Stevens. Regarded as one of the Republican Party’s most talented political gurus—a body of work that includes steering Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign in 2012—Stevens may also be the GOP’s most prominent defector when he abandoned his party as Trump rose to power. He despises the former president in a way that feels strikingly personal. While the Lincoln Project argues that Trump is perverting the Republican Party, Stevens doesn’t think Trump has perverted anything: Trump is the Republican Party, Stevens believes, and the Republican Party is Trump. Stuart believes there is no reclaiming his former party, it must be burned to the ground. Or to use a Vietnam-era metaphor, the Village must be destroyed in order to save it. Reflecting on a four-decade career in American politics, Stevens is convinced that Trump was not an aberrant zigzag. He was fate. “I saw a lot of this stuff, but I just chose to believe that this kind of dark side was the recessive gene, not the dominant one,” he says. “I was wrong.” Stevens joins Mea Culpa to discuss his fabulous new book “The Conspiracy to End America: Five Ways My Old Party Is Driving Our Democracy to Autocracy.” The book is part memoir and part Jeremiad as Stevens unpacks how we are moving towards an autocratic end.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is my Mayor Cop

0:06.0

This is Michael Bo

0:09.0

Oh baby don't lie for me

0:12.0

If I tell you my story don't cry for me

0:15.0

I take my time that's fun by me

0:17.0

This is my me

0:19.0

That's fair go

0:20.0

Bob This is my Mayor Culper.

0:26.7

This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the Mayor Culper podcast.

0:31.7

Today, we delve into one of the most poignant moments of my life.

0:36.7

That's when I was stepping into the courtroom and coming face to face with Donald Trump for the very first time in half a decade.

0:40.4

I want you to picture this. So here I am, walking in, and there's this giant weight on my shoulders,

0:47.3

an amalgamation of the past, the decisions made, the loyalties tested, and consequences faced as I approached the bench I

0:57.5

couldn't help but feel a little like Rocky Balboa climbing into the ring with

1:02.1

Evangro go knowing the stakes feeling the intensity of the audience and

1:07.4

understanding the symbolism of the fight so all of of you, Q, I of the Tiger.

1:13.6

But it wasn't just about me and Trump.

1:16.6

It's all about you.

1:17.6

It's about our nation.

1:19.6

It's about democracy.

1:21.6

For a brief moment, as I took my place on the stand and met his gaze,

1:26.6

I felt as though I held all the anger,

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