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Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Exchange Traded Gambling

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Don McDonald

Education, Business, Investing, How To

4.5 • 811 Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Exchange-traded funds began as simple, low-cost index vehicles, but their popularity has sparked a flood of increasingly speculative products. Don and Tom explain how more than 1,000 new ETFs launched in the past year—many involving leverage, crypto exposure, or even single-stock bets—turning what was once a sensible investment wrapper into a playground for risky financial engineering. They discuss why firms are rushing into ETFs to capture investor dollars, how leveraged products can devastate portfolios, and why investors must focus on what’s inside an ETF rather than the label itself. The episode also answers listener questions about the cost structure of Avantis’s AVGE fund-of-fund ETF, strategies for gradually escaping tax-inefficient mutual funds like American Funds, and the rules governing cost-basis transfers when moving brokerage accounts. 0:04 ETFs used to be simple—now Wall Street is turning them into gambling products 1:24 Explosion of new ETFs: 1,000 launched in a year and most offer nothing new 3:07 Why firms are rushing into ETFs: chasing the $1.5 trillion flowing into them 4:23 Leveraged crypto ETFs (like 2× Dogecoin) and how investors lost 70% quickly 6:15 Greed, leverage, and investor behavior driving risky ETF products 7:48 The absurd rise of single-stock ETFs—paying fees to own one stock 8:55 Leveraged commodity ETFs and the danger of massive one-day losses 9:45 Margin speculation and the historical lesson of the 1929 crash 10:31 An ETF is just a wrapper—what’s inside determines whether it’s sensible 11:51 Simple rule: avoid ETFs charging more than about 0.35% annually 12:08 Using Morningstar to check ETF costs and holdings 14:26 AVGE question: how fund-of-fund ETF expenses actually work 16:47 Escaping tax-inefficient mutual funds like American Funds 19:56 Capital Group’s ETF strategy vs traditional loaded mutual funds 22:28 Cost basis rules when transferring accounts between custodians Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:03.1

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0:08.4

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0:13.2

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0:20.0

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0:23.1

We're talking real money.

0:25.7

They used to be pretty easy to understand.

0:29.5

Now, of course, we were a little reticent initially when it came to endorsing them and suggesting them to you.

0:37.2

But we've come around. We've come around.

0:40.3

Hi, everybody. I'm Don McDonald. That's Tom Cock. This is the talking real money podcasting

0:47.0

experience. I figured if it worked for Joe Rogan, you know, talking real money experience.

0:54.7

And what am I talking about?

0:56.3

What's the thing that they used to be simple, but now they're getting complicated, and we were slow to come around.

1:04.0

But when we came around, we embraced them fully.

1:08.1

We're talking about exchange traded funds, aka ETFs, or the new version of mutual

1:16.6

funds. And, you know, they've been pretty simple. The first ETFs generally, most

1:24.4

them were indexed, right? Yeah, they were. Relatively passive, they were really simple, they were inexpensive, they were understandable,

1:31.9

they weren't crazy, you kind of knew what you got if you were buying large-cap growth

1:37.8

stocks, you got large-cap growth stocks.

1:39.9

If you were buying small-cap, you got small-cap.

1:42.6

But now, because of their popularity, well, being what we are, we're going a little crazy.

1:50.1

Yeah, and here's the thing.

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