The first listener says, what should we make of the growing apprehension among figures on the American right regarding the war in Gaza?

In recent weeks, conservative media personalities ranging from Candace Owens to Alex Jones have publicly labelled the war as a genocide.

Donald Trump has also grown more vocal in his disapproval, characterising the war as a strategic blunder on Israel's

part. Should this be understood as a response to war weariness and frustrations within the

conservative base in the American general public? To what extent does this represent a deeper

break with the Zionist personalities, organizations and ideas that have historically held

court on the American right?

Well, I mean, as far as Candace Owens goes, I think she's always been a fairly old-school

reactionary anti-semit. I mean, this wouldn't be the first time. I've seen it alleged that she

had some rule in red-pilling Kanye West. I don't know how true that is.

It's certainly true that she's been calling the war a genocide for some months.

So this isn't a new stance for her,

and I think it is grounded in old-school anti-Semitism

rather than humanitarian concern

or internationalist position regarding the Palestinians, obviously.

Alex Jones is slightly different. I mean,

he's very happy to platform anti-Semites and white supremacists. He spread Soros conspiracy theories.

He doesn't usually present as overtly anti-Semitic. I mean, I think he is in some basic way,

but I think his attitude to it is opportunistic

depending on what the balance of his eclectic conspiracyism demands in the moment.

And as for Israel, I think he's usually anti-war, he's always shared the paleo-conservative

critique of Israel as a kind of anti-American force.

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