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Mad in America: Rethinking Mental Health

Examining Psychiatric Medication Tapering and Withdrawal: The Evolving Role of Pharmacists — A Conversation with Agnes Higgins and Cathal Cadogan

Mad in America: Rethinking Mental Health

Mad in America

Mental Health, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.7212 Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to the Mad in America podcast, my name is James. Today, we are discussing the experiences of people who have attempted to stop taking psychiatric drugs. These experiences are captured in a survey undertaken by the School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Joining me to talk about this work are Cathal Cadogan and Agnes Higgins, both from Trinity College.

Cathal is an Associate Professor in Practice of Pharmacy at Trinity College. His research focuses on developing supports to help people make informed decisions about starting and stopping psychiatric medication. He was recently involved in a priority setting partnership to identify priorities for future research on reducing and discontinuing psychiatric medicines.

Agnes is a nurse, researcher and academic who has recently retired as a professor in mental health at the School of Nursing and Midwifery at Trinity College. She is a former Chairperson of the Board of Mental Health Reform, Ireland's leading service user organization, campaigning for improvements in mental health services. She is also currently a board member of Kyrie Farm, an innovative initiative combining the benefits of nature, meaningful participation, community and therapy to support mental health recovery.

Their work is part of a wider examination of priorities for future research on reducing and stopping psychiatric medication, and we'll talk about this as well as the findings of their survey. We'll also talk about the role that pharmacists could potentially play when people are considering stopping their psychiatric drugs.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Madden America podcast, your source for science, psychiatry, and social justice.

0:14.2

Hello, this is James and welcome to the podcast. Thanks for joining us. And today we are discussing the experiences of people who have

0:22.4

attempted to stop taking psychiatric drugs. These experiences are captured in a survey undertaken by

0:28.7

the School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences, Trinity College, Dublin and Ireland. And joining me to

0:34.4

talk about this work are Cahall Cadogan and Agnes Higgins both from Trinity College.

0:40.4

Cahall is an associate professor in practice of pharmacy in Trinity College.

0:44.7

His research focuses on developing supports to help people make informed decisions about starting and stopping psychiatric medication.

0:52.7

He was recently involved in a priority setting

0:55.0

partnership to identify priorities for future research on reducing and discontinuing psychiatric

1:00.8

medicines. Agnes is a nurse researcher and academic who has recently retired as a professor

1:07.7

in mental health at the School of Nursing and Midwifery at Trinity College.

1:12.1

She is a former chairperson of the Board of Mental Health Reform, Ireland's leading service

1:17.2

user organisation, campaigning for improvements in mental health services.

1:21.9

She's also currently a board member of Kiri Farm, an innovative initiative combining the

1:26.7

benefits of nature, meaningful participation,

1:29.6

community and therapy to support mental health recovery. Their work is part of a wider examination

1:35.0

of priorities for future research on reducing and stopping psychiatric medication, and we'll talk

1:40.8

about this as well as the findings of their survey. We'll also talk about the role that pharmacists could potentially play

1:47.1

when people are considering stopping their psychiatric drugs.

1:51.5

Carl Agnes, welcome.

1:53.4

Thank you so much for joining me today on the Madden America podcast.

1:57.4

We're here to talk about a recent paper that you both collaborated on entitled,

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