Examining How Swing Decisions Are Made & 'Say Something Nice'
Rates & Barrels: A show about Baseball
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4.7 • 873 Ratings
🗓️ 27 August 2025
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Eno, DVR and Jed discuss a six-game suspension for Willson Contreras (which he has appealed) as part of a frustrating season for the Cardinals and wonder if he might be on the move this winter with two years remaining on his five-year deal with St. Louis. Plus, they discuss the return of Kyle Bradish, and key injuries to Nathan Eovaldi and Randy Rodriguez, before digging into one of the most fascinating presentations from Eno's trip to Saberseminar -- Stephen Sutton-Brown's modeling of batters tracking pitches and how swing shapes are influenced by early information.
Rundown
1:15 Willson Contreras: Appealing A Six-Game Suspension
8:14 Kyle Bradish is Back!
12:48 Nathan Eovaldi: Season Likely Over with Rotator Cuff Strain
21:17 Randy Rodriguez Placed on IL w/Elbow Sprain
23:55 How Swing Decisions & Shapes May Be Influenced by Early Information
35:34 A Study About Hitting That Informs Pitching Plans
44:40 How Many Teams Are Ahead On This?
57:08 Say Something Nice....
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Rates and barrels. It's Wednesday, August 27th, Derek Van Riper, Yenosares, Jed Lowry. |
| 0:16.5 | On this episode, we dig into some baseball news that you should know, including a suspension for Wilson Contreras for some impressive theatrics earlier this week. |
| 0:25.1 | Kyle Bradish is back from Tommy John's surgery. |
| 0:27.7 | We'll talk about how he looked. |
| 0:29.2 | The season of Nathan Evaldi is likely over due to a rotator cuff strain. |
| 0:33.5 | We'll dig into some weird things that have been happening in Texas with that ballpark this year. |
| 0:38.3 | We got an update on Randy Rodriguez as well. He's now on the IL. |
| 0:41.7 | Plus, we have some follow-ups from Eno's trip to Sabre Seminar, including really interesting modeling from Stephen Sutton Brown. |
| 0:48.9 | We talked about that earlier in the week, predicting swing or no swing. |
| 0:52.1 | Figured Jed would be a great person to have as part of that discussion to break down what makes sense about that and what might be a little less intuitive. So a lot of ground to cover today. We also have a new segment called Say Something Nice. I'm not going to tell you what we're featuring in that segment. I'm just going to tease it as something we're going to do a little bit later on in the show. |
| 1:12.2 | All right, let's get to it. |
| 1:13.6 | Let's start with Wilson Contreras. |
| 1:14.9 | He's appealing a six-game suspension played Tuesday night as a result of that appeal. |
| 1:20.0 | All of this came from an incident in which he was ejected from a game on Monday. |
| 1:24.1 | He threw his bat in the direction of home plate umpire, Derek Thomas, hit his |
| 1:29.6 | hitting coach, Brent Brown inadvertently, left the field, chucked a bucket of hichu onto the |
| 1:35.7 | field. The bat boys had to clean that up, which, you know, is kind of just how that stuff always |
| 1:40.1 | goes. And Contreras, his side of the story, per Katie Wu of the athletic, was that he believed he was |
| 1:44.8 | ejected for saying something he didn't actually say. I did see it in the highlights from Tuesday. |
| 1:51.5 | He apologized to Derek before the game and, you know, tried to put it behind him. But what the |
| 1:57.9 | heck happened? Every clip I feel like I see of Wilson Contreras this year, and it's been a tough year for the cards. He just looks like he's an unhappy player right now overall with his either decision to be in St. Louis or with how things have gone this year, and it's a little bit surprising because he's actually had a pretty good year as a hitter with the move to first base, you know? Yeah, I don't know. And I saw some, I know, this is like sort of lip reading level analysis |
| 2:23.5 | where, you know, people were trying to pump up the audio and look at the lips and figure it out. |
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