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I'm Will Flitzer in the situation room.

We've been following these historic hearings all day, four witnesses now.

The second session will continue after this quick break Tim Morrison, the former National

Security Council, senior director who is an overall charge of Ukraine policy and the former

U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Ambassador Kurt Volker, slightly different interpretations

of what they saw, but there was clearly throughout all of these hearings serious concern

about this alternative foreign policy that was led by

Rudy Giuliani towards Ukraine and there's a lot to discuss different points of

view to be sure these last two witnesses Tim Morrison and Kurt Volker were

called by the Republicans they wanted to hear what they had to say earlier in the

day lieutenant colonel Alexander Vinman and Jennifer Williams also from the White House.

They were asked to come by the Democrats.

Gloria Borgier, let's get your take on what we're hearing

because clearly there was deep concern about the so-called Rudy Giuliani shadow diplomacy.

There was. But where as we heard this morning that there was belief that the President's phone call was not in the national interest you know this this

evening this afternoon what we're hearing from these two people particularly

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