Ex-NATO Commander: Why Britain Isn't Ready for the Unthinkable (E400)
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ποΈ 23 March 2026
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Summary
When global instability dominates the headlines, it can be hard to know what to think...or how to lead. This week, Jake and Damian sit down with General Sir Richard Shirreff, former Deputy Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, to cut through the noise.
With 37 years commanding British soldiers, Richard has led through some of the most complex and high-stakes environments imaginable - from the streets of Basra to the corridors of NATO headquarters. And his lessons aren't just for generals.
In this episode, he breaks down the war-gaming mindset that every great leader needs, explains why the best decisions are built on intuition as much as information, and shares Field Marshal Slim's three components of morale β a framework as relevant in business as it is on the battlefield.
Richard also makes the case for thinking the unthinkable - conscription, and challenges the narrative that younger generations lack resilience, and ends with a genuinely optimistic vision for what great leadership could unlock.
This is a conversation about courage, preparation, and the kind of bold decision-making the world needs more of right now.
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| 0:00.0 | So Richard, welcome to high performance. |
| 0:05.1 | You're one of the most senior retired NATO generals. |
| 0:08.1 | You spent 37 years commanding British soldiers, |
| 0:12.7 | and you have said that you believe we could be living through the opening of World War III. |
| 0:17.9 | Why do you believe that so strongly? |
| 0:19.9 | I think the dynamic of what is happening now |
| 0:22.5 | is in danger of being uncontrollable. First priority, the first major issue we cannot ignore, |
| 0:29.4 | and it's upfront, is the reality of Putin's genocidal war in Ukraine. That is, and the fact that |
| 0:36.6 | Russia is at war with Europe now, it's not a conventional |
| 0:39.9 | war, but it's a covert war, below the threshold of conventional. What's happening now in |
| 0:46.8 | Iran, with Iran and the Gulf, is sucking in the United States, and we'll see where that goes. |
| 0:56.2 | What does that give the rest of the world? |
| 0:58.2 | Well, firstly, it's a massive opportunity for Putin, |
| 1:00.5 | because he's watching while the oil price goes through the roof, |
| 1:04.4 | and that all goes into his economy. |
| 1:06.0 | And he's struggling his economy, so this is just what he wants. |
| 1:09.5 | And then go to the the far east where we know |
| 1:12.5 | that Xi has said that Taiwan will become Chinese and that's fact, you know, will become Chinese. |
| 1:20.6 | But this might just be his opportunity. I think he would probably have hesitated to launch a military |
| 1:26.0 | operation. but with American |
| 1:27.9 | attention focused in Iran, then that is his opportunity. |
| 1:33.3 | And then the global destabilization, the impact on the global economy. |
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