One thing that a producer friend of yours said that really seemed telling was,

look, people come to us for comfort.

Like they don't see us as the news.

I thought that was incredible.

And there is something fundamental about two different purposes.

One would be, I'm going to edify and inform.

And so I'm going to serve you some stuff that might be not that assimilating.

It might be kind of boring.

It's like broccoli as programming.

And then there's this other direction that it's like, I'm entertainment.

Like I'm going to have certain pattern and rhythm and characters and something that you can cheer or boo.

Right. Yeah.

And that was in one of our planning meetings.

So that was a senior producer.

And it's definitely something that stood out and something I remembered.

Because you're abdicating your role as a journalist.

And it's confusing.

Because otherwise, it kind of looks like a newscast.

You know, you have an anchor sitting in a desk with, you know,

the TV over his shoulder and you're covering things that are in the news.

That's what I think is really dangerous.

When it looks like something that should be reliable,

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