Now we've seen over a year of course of hideous horror. What's currently taking place in northern

Gaza is unspeakable. Well unfortunately literally in a sense because the Israeli state has attempted to suppress all communications coming from Northern Gaza as it is believed and this has been widely circulated in Israeli press including particularly Harrets that the so-called General's plan is being executed, which in a sense in essence means the ethnic cleansing of Northern Gaza at the same time we've had this conference organised by the ruling party

Lequd which is openly advocating colonizing settling Gaza. Now we've got lots to

talk about and we've got a brilliant guest Daniel Levy, who is a former member of Israel's negotiating team.

He's also an esteemed analyst. We interviewed him many months ago. We should have interviewed him far more recently than we have

because there's so many incredible insights I think it's to say so Dan great to see you how you

doing in this dystopian world yes that's the only way to describe it, but it's good to see you, Owen.

Yeah, easy, ma'am.

I want to start with someone called Gior Island, who is an Israeli general and the former head of the

Israeli National Security Council. A year ago he wrote an article in a journal which is quite

obscure to most people I would say called Fathom which is a journal which is

published by BiCom which is the main pro Israel lobbying organisation in Britain I would say.

The point about this article is not

from day what the Israeli state has not been subtle about its intentions. It's very

rare actually for a state to be so open about intentions which are clearly in violation of

the basically rudimentary basics of international law. In that he called for the whole of Gaza to be, for its entire population to be removed.

He said either temporarily or permanently.

And he said using siege and he supported the total siege which was imposed openly by the defense Mr Yovgallon on October 9th

when he said famously that they were fighting human animals. And in this article, he said, the Gew Island,

the people should be told that they have two choices,

to stay and to starve or to leave.

Just openly inciting war crimes in a British journal there.

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