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Live Free with Josh Howerton

Ex-Catholic REVEALS Why He LEFT the Catholic Church!? (ft. Dr. Frank Turek) | Live Free with Josh Howerton

Live Free with Josh Howerton

Lakepointe Church

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.82.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

Do Catholics and Protestants actually worship the same Jesus?  Pastors Carlos Erazo and Paul Cunningham sit down with apologist and author Dr. Frank Turek (I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist) to unpack one of the most personal and theologically charged conversations in Live Free history. Frank was there the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and he shares what happened, what Charlie believed, and how the conspiracy theories impact his legacy. From there, the conversation digs into the real differences between Catholicism and Protestantism...not to divide, but to clarify what the Bible actually teaches about salvation, authority, and grace. In a season where Gen Z is converting to Catholicism and a new American pope has been elected, this episode gives you the biblical tools to think clearly, love well, and point people to Jesus. In this episode, you'll learn: What Frank Turek witnessed the day Charlie Kirk was shot, and what Charlie believed about Jesus The key differences between Catholic and Protestant theology on salvation and authority Why Sola Scriptura doesn't mean what most critics think it means Whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God, and what the Bible says How to have grace-filled conversations with Catholic family and friends about the gospel Stand firm. Think biblically. Live free. 🔗 Resources:  Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences by Norman Geisler & Ralph MacKenzie https://amazon.com/Roman-Catholics-Evangelicals-Agreements-Differences/dp/0801038758 I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist by Frank Turek & Norman Geisler https://amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1433580756 Is the Pope Legit? Catholicism v. Protestantism Debate Ft. Michael Knowles | Charlie Kirk https://youtu.be/6Z-bBlI-1tg 💬 This week’s giveaway: Comment FREEDOM 🧢 Want a Live Free hat of your own? Visit LiveFree.shop 📲 Looking to grow deeper in your faith? Check out the Lakepointe App to access our Discipleship Guide, daily Bible reading plan, and more. Text APP to 20411 to download

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Good works are the fruit of your salvation. They're not the root of your salvation. The same grace that saves us also sustains us and it transforms us. Charlie Kirk did great things, but he's not in heaven because he died for his savior. Charlie Kirk is in heaven because his savior died for Charlie Kirk. The question is not, are you a Baptist or are you a Presbyterian or are you a Catholic or you're a Protestant? The question is, do you believe in Jesus for salvation? Well, hey, Live Free Nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas. But the Live Free Nation is spread all over the country and all around the world. So if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this.

0:38.3

We want to invite you to take a simple next step and that is join us for church online.

0:43.3

Every weekend we stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook and our church online platform,

0:47.3

and it's more than just watching a service.

0:49.3

There are a live host in the chat, prayer teams ready to stand with you,

0:53.3

and people all around the world worshiping together in real time.

0:57.0

And so whether you're exploring the faith, coming back to church or just looking for a place to start,

1:02.0

church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lake Point.

1:07.0

We would love to see you in the chat this weekend. And now, enjoy the podcast. Well,

1:12.7

hey, welcome back to a bonus episode of the Live Free Podcast. My name is Carlos Rezbo. And today I'm here

1:16.9

with Pastor Paul Cunningham. And today we have a special guest. This right here, Paul, is somebody

1:22.4

who has spent decades faithfully defending the Christian faith. Yes, he has. He's been on college

1:26.5

campuses, high profile debates, live Q&A. He is a gifted, brilliant apologist, philosopher, author of multiple bestselling books, including I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. He is the president of cross-examine.org. He is a friend and a man of God whom we deeply admire here in the Live Free Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show, Frank Turrick. Hey, hey, I'm nervous because I'm sitting in the great Josh Howerton seat. Hey, man. Hey, bro. Hey, we're gonna do one more point. I'm gonna wrap this pod up. Hey, you got the hat? I got the hat right here. T-shirt, I mean, you got the whole thing. You fit right in. I wore the T-shirt in honor of Josh, the hat in honor of Josh.

2:03.3

Well, the T-shirt in honor of Charlie.

2:05.1

Yes.

2:05.5

And Josh. Yeah, man. Josh will be back next week, right? This is not a permanent thing, is it? No. Okay, all right. We hope so. Although we'll have you back later this year.

2:14.6

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:14.9

So it's going to be fun.

2:16.5

Hey, Frank, first of all, thank you for being here, man.

2:18.6

It is my pleasure.

2:20.2

I listen to every... back later this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's going to be fun. Hey, Frank, first of all,

2:17.5

thank you for being here, man. It is my pleasure. I listen to every, actually, I watch every

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