EX.780 Liz Pelly
RA Podcast
Resident Advisor
4.7 • 662 Ratings
🗓️ 22 October 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | RA Exchange |
| 0:03.0 | Welcome to Resident Advisor. |
| 0:06.0 | I'm Chloe Lula, the Exchange, the Exchange's Senior Producer. Welcome to Resident Advisors Exchange. |
| 0:22.4 | I'm Chloe Lula, the Exchange's senior producer. |
| 0:25.3 | As we approach the end of 2025, it's clear that one of the year's most zeitgeist |
| 0:31.5 | defining books has been Liz Pelley's Mood Machine, The Rise of Spotify and the costs of the perfect playlist. |
| 0:38.3 | The New York-based writer has been on a promotional tour, speaking at festivals around the world, |
| 0:44.3 | and one of her recent stops was at Soft Center in Australia, where this exchange was recorded live with writer, editor, and DJ Audrey Feister. |
| 0:53.3 | Pellie's background is in the DIY scene, |
| 0:55.9 | college radio, and independent alt-weeklies, all of which ignited her interest in writing |
| 1:00.4 | about music. Over the last two years, she's become an outspoken advocate for underground |
| 1:05.4 | music and an incisive critic of how the streaming economy has debilitated independent |
| 1:10.6 | artistry. In this conversation, |
| 1:13.3 | she impacts some of her book's main conceits. For example, Spotify was originally designed around |
| 1:19.4 | advertising models, rather than music first models, she says, which is why it rewards music that |
| 1:24.8 | performs well at scale. She explains how that's created so much growing inequity in the music that performs well on |
| 1:31.8 | the platform, and she goes on to draw some fascinating parallels between what's happening |
| 1:36.5 | in the streaming economy and what's happening now in digital media. |
| 1:40.4 | If this sounds gloomy, all is not lost. |
| 1:43.2 | Mood Machine ends on a somewhat hopeful note, and Peli proposes some solutions. |
| 1:48.1 | As custodians of the independent music scene, we have a responsibility to go to live shows, |
| 1:53.9 | subscribe to emerging DIY media projects, and give money directly to artists by buying their music and their merch. |
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