ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

In 1980, influential paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen J. Gould wrote that we can know that evolution has happened by the imperfections and oddities

that life shows. But is that true? And what if we took a closer look at those assumed evolutionary

oddities and saw instead evidence of engineered elegance? Joining me today is retired geneticist

Dr. Wolf Eckart Le Lunick to discuss his new paper

reviewing the debate over the panda's thumb. Giant pandas have an elongated wrist bone,

the radial sesamoid, that allows them to handle and eat bamboo with great dexterity.

Some claim it's an imperfectly and inefficiently formed structure that is clear evidence of evolutionary processes at work.

Others call it one of the most extraordinary manipulation systems in the mammalian world and clear evidence of engineering.

So, which is it? Well, that's the topic of our conversation today.

Now, in case you're not too familiar with the work of Wolf Eckhard Loonick,

let me share some details with you.

Mathematician and ID theorist Granville Sewell has described Dr. Loonig as an intelligent design pioneer.

That's because for over 50 years, Dr. Lunig has been offering robust criticism of Darwinian

theory and advocating for intelligent design.

He argued for intelligent design in his 1971 Masters of Science thesis at the Free University

of Berlin.

His faculty advisor there, the director of the botanical gardens and botanical museum

of Berlin, Dalem, had high praise for his thesis, saying this, finally a master's thesis

in which a young man turns decidedly against a sacred cow, neo-darwinism, or the theory

of descent in general, and demonstrates the sore points of a doctrine, which for most

minds is thought of not just as a theory, as a great synopsis, but as an impeccable and almost

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