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I'm delighted to be joined by David Wengrow, who has co-authored

an absolutely riveting book, which is a sensational bestseller now,

which was co-written, of course, by the late great David Graber.

Before we start, I should apologise because I do have a non-COVID

I've done the rona, that was fun.

Now it's just one of the many other respiratory illnesses that have

receded into the hinterland and now are back with

the vengeance, aren't they David? Have you got similar?

How's your respiratory functions?

I'm just talked out from doing too much talking and teaching

and interviews, or if I've still got some lingering,

anyway, I sympathise and I think if we can cough roughly at the same time

you may have my hand.

Yeah, cancel it.

Spooning and I's coughing.

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