Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for politically eclectics. I'm Robbie Gupta. Today, I am reposting an episode that we put out in December called Everything You Need to Know About Tariffs. And this is a conversation I had with economic historian Phil Magnus, who comes out of the right-wing think takes. And, you know, is a reminder that, you know, not too long ago, just a couple years ago,

it was the conservative Republican position to oppose tariffs and that actually within sort of

super left corners of our politics, people were pro-tariff. But what Phil does is methodically

take us through the history of tariffs within the United States, going

back to before we gained our independence through to today and talks about the connection

between tariffs and revenue generation, the connection between tariffs and corruption,

and the connection between tariffs even and are the origins of our income tax in this country.

So I think you'll love it.

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jump into this interview think of it as a period piece. So go out there and get it. And without further ado, let's jump

into this interview. Phil, welcome to the podcast. Happy to be here. Well, Phil, you about a year ago

and some change wrote a piece called The Problem of the Tariff in American Economic History for

Cato.

I imagine you might have been anticipating this moment.

It feels like it in reading that piece.

That's exactly it.

You know,

I am a historian and economic historian by background.

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