This is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield.

Last week, we put out a special show hosted by the Guardian's Lois Beckett,

devoted to how reporters should approach the alt-right and white supremacy in America.

One of the voices in that show was Norwegian journalist Vegas Tenold,

whose new book, Everything You Love Will Burn, chronicles his time covering the far right, up close and personal, for nearly a decade.

I'm the idiot who's been doing this for so long that I think at times they kind of forget who I am and what I'm doing there.

As a bonus this week, we wanted to play you a full version of his conversation with Lois,

in which they discuss his history with the far right,

the mistakes he sees journalists making,

and his relationship with the co-founder of the racist traditionalist worker party, Matthew Heimbach.

Enjoy.

So how did you get in with all of these Nazis?

The whole thing started back in, I think it was late 2010.

I was at Columbia Journalism School, and I was looking for a piece to do as a project.

And I heard rumors that there were skinheads in Brooklyn, in Greenpoint.

And I started looking into that,

and I quickly found out that they'd all been gentrified out years ago. But I found all these neo-Nazi,

weird nationalist websites who all looked like they were from 1994, like Angel Fire, AOL kind of websites, which is a tendency of the far right to make god-awful websites.

But after a while, I found a bunch of emails and I got on a bunch of forums and I just said,

this is me, I'm a journalist and I'd like to talk to someone if it all possible.

And it was just a wall of silence for months and months and months until one day an email drops

into my inbox from a guy calling himself Duke Schneider

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