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My previous books have been specifically about topics in physics, but this time I wanted to take a step back and ask questions about how all

of the different ways we have of describing the universe fit together.

Caltech theoretical physicist Sean M Carroll.

His latest book is The Big Picture on the origins of life, meaning, and the universe itself.

So some ways we have in describing the universe are physics centered, you know talking about particles and forces in quantum mechanics, but we also talk about it in terms of macroscopic things like tables and chairs, biological things like cells and organisms, or human things you know emotions and aspirations and desires and

and they're all I strongly believe ways of describing the same underlying stuff.

So even though you don't need to know particle physics to do biology or psychology,

your theories of biology and psychology better be compatible with particle physics and your theories of psychology better be compatible with biology and so on.

There's an enormous amount of very exciting and challenging work to be done to both invent

these different theories and to fit them together, but I think we can

see the outlines of how it will all happen.

That's what in the book I label poetic naturalism.

Naturalism is the simple idea that there's one world, the natural world.

Even if there's a multiverse, we call it all a single world, there's nothing else that the universe needs.

The universe just goes on by itself, it doesn't need to be sustained or created from outside.

And the poetic aspect of it is that we should take seriously all of these different ways

that we have of talking about the natural world.

So you can be a naturalist and sort of be a hardcore naturalist who says the only thing that is

real are elementary particles or the fundamental stuff of nature. I think that tables and chairs are real and the argument

for saying that tables and chairs are real leads you to also say that things like

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