Everything is On Fire
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 1 October 2020
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of Lawfare's Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic talked about how everything is on fire—not metaphorically, but literally. In recent months, wildfires in the American West have caused unprecedented devastation and forced thousands of people to evacuate their homes. And along with the fires, the West has been grappling with a surge of false material circulating online about the flames. But this isn’t the first time wildfires and disinformation have gone together. This past December and January, Australia was hit with both a brutal bushfire season and a similar wave of disinformation and misinformation about what sparked the fires and the role of climate change.
Evelyn and Quinta spoke about the offline and online conflagrations on both sides of the Pacific with Charlie Warzel of the New York Times and Cam Wilson, a reporter for Gizmodo Australia and Business Insider Australia.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | It had a real actual cost in a way that I think it's very hard to tell often with missing |
| 0:41.3 | disinformation. |
| 0:42.3 | I do think this is a unique moment in that way. |
| 0:47.0 | Because it's based around a natural disaster, it's not just based around a political ideology, |
| 0:52.6 | it's not just that this becomes a radicalization engine and just adds to the toxicity in our |
| 0:59.2 | politics and system. |
| 1:00.2 | No, this is in the case of the Oregon wildfires and the antifa hoaxes. |
| 1:05.8 | You had actual armed citizens trying to hunt down antifa arsonists. |
| 1:13.0 | And I believe they held at least one or two freelance journalists at gunpoint. |
| 1:20.6 | I'm Quintajurusic and this is the LawFair podcast, October 1st, 2020. |
| 1:28.0 | We're bringing you another episode or Arbitus of Truth series on disinformation. |
| 1:32.7 | This week Evelyn Dwick and I talked about how everything is on fire, not metaphorically |
| 1:37.8 | but literally. |
| 1:39.5 | In recent months, wildfires in the American West have caused unprecedented devastation |
| 1:44.5 | and forced thousands of people to evacuate their homes. |
| 1:47.9 | But along with the fires, the West has been grappling with the surge of false material |
| 1:51.8 | circulating online about the flames. |
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