Hello, Winebbers. My name is Jesse Meekam, and this is podcast number

395 for Wineb, where we teach you four rules to help you stop living paycheck to

paycheck, get out of debt and save more money.

Everyone's a lender. That's all I'm going to say today. It's going to unmake a little shorter.

I'm not talking about the Wall Street Journal articles or anything, but I am still on a bit of a

debt tirade. Debt is not going to get you ahead. And we don't take a super active stance

against debt as it relates to morals or anything like that, but debt does

mess up your budgeting. And if you owe someone money it means you can't give every

dollar a job because some of that money is already spoken for and we like you to be

able to follow rule one, give every dollar a job.

So pay off the cards as fast as you can, get a little aggressive, go crazy for a little

while, do a little sprint. It's fun, it's entertaining, you'll never be the same

after you do a little sprint to get out of debt as fast as you can, even those horrifically

clingy student loans.

Everyone is a lender.

If you see a successful business,

just wait for them to become a lender.

Wineb's moderately, modestly successful.

You'll know we've really hit it big

and that I am no longer calling the shots

when we start offering you some kind of a debt product, some kind of a way to lend you money.

Then you know that I am no longer around and lost complete control of the company and violated all kinds of, I don't

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