Hello everyone and welcome to talk nerdy. Today is Monday, January 26th, 2026th, and I'm the host of the show, Dr. Kara Santa Maria. It's our 586th episode, and I just want to

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Thank you all so much. All right, let's get into it. This week I had the opportunity to chat with

author Rose George. She earned her bachelor's degree in modern languages from Oxford and then

a master's degree in international politics from the University of Pennsylvania. And there she was a Fulbright fellow as well.

She lives back in the UK currently. Her books have been about very different topics, but her

newest book is called Every Last Fish, a deep dive into everything they do for us and we do to them. So without any further ado,

here she is Rose George. Well, Rose, thank you so much for joining me today. My pleasure.

So I'm excited to talk about your newest book, Every Last Fish, a deep dive into everything they do for us and we do for them.

Do to them.

Oh, yes.

See, that's important.

It's very important.

Everything they do for us and we do to them.

But before we get into fish and even more ocean puns like we were just sharing offline. I want to know a little more about you

because this is your fourth book. But you're... Sorry. Oh, it's your fifth book. So you're allowed to

do that. But yeah, I take it. No, it's the fifth book you've written. You get credit just because it's, yeah.

So this is your fifth book, but you, like, as a writer, you studied modern languages and international politics.

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