Most people think that waking up means seeing through the illusion, but you say that that's where a lot of people get stuck. Why do you think that is?

Because it's at a higher level of consciousness, a marriage. It is a reconciling of both the utterly material world and then what is beyond that.

And the funny part is both of them are called the illusion.

It just depends on what perspective.

You're listening to Mind Love with me, Melissa Monty.

So why I think it's a really good place to start with not calling it that is because it has lost its effect in our age.

It was very effective in past ages.

But now when we hear illusion, we feel it to be something that's very disassociative instead of its true meaning. And so

in this age, I call it the matrix or other terms. But yeah, illusion itself has just lost his

genesis quo on us. I think that happens a lot. Whenever I'm starting to realize that a word has more

connotations than unified meaning.

I try to find a new one.

So I feel like I'll spend like a couple years talking about something quite a bit.

And then all of a sudden I'm telling my listeners, I don't like that word anymore.

It's been co-opted.

Oh, totally. Yeah.

I know you teach something that you call natural law. And this is really interesting to me because I think that's been one of the big, I wouldn't say shifts,

but understandings I've been diving into are even on the universal laws or what my view of God is,

which is kind of more like the, speaking of matrix, the divine matrix, all of the, the

universal laws really, the natural laws behind everything, not somebody making decisions,

but this is how things work.

This is how you are mirrored.

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