"evermore"
13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast
Ana Szabo, Nick Adams, Amy Nichols and Lacey Gee
4.6 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 11 November 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana, Amy and Nick break down “evermore” — the beautiful closing track of Taylor Swift’s evermore album featuring Bon Iver and co-written with William Bowery (Joe Alwyn). We dive into Taylor’s emotional storytelling, the symbolism behind lyrics like “gray November” and “this pain would be forevermore,” and how the song captures the shared heaviness of 2020.
The hosts unpack Taylor’s reflections on the 2016 fallout, her isolation during the pandemic, and how the song’s closing warmth — “floors of a cabin creaking under my step” — reminds us that healing and hope always return.
They also discuss the poetic bridge with Bon Iver, the emotional shift from despair to peace, and the theory behind the “alternate endings” Taylor teased with right where you left me and it’s time to go.
Join the 13 Podcast for this heartfelt episode as they close the book on evermore and prepare for Taylor’s alternate endings of this story with the evermore deluxe tracks.. Those breakdowns are coming up next!
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