I'm going to be a professor in exile.

Heather Hying, welcome to the Ruben Report.

Thank you for having me, Dave.

Professor in exile.

I believe that is in your Twitter bio.

It is.

I believe it is in your husband Brett Weinstein's Twitter bio.

Yeah, we generated it together.

Is that going to be the title of the co-authored book with the dust settles on all of the

this stuff?

Oh, I don't know.

I think both of us are both eager to leave the evergreen story behind, but still heartbroken

that an institution that we loved and still believe in the educational model that it offered

and still believe in the students who got great education is there for many decades.

We would love to see it resurrected, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

Yeah, all right.

It's a little crazy to me that this is the first time that we've met because obviously

our circles have been sort of closing in on each other for quite some time.

So when the whole evergreen thing happened, and I only want to spend a little bit of time

at the top talking about it, and then I want to do all sorts of evolutionary biology stuff

and the other things that you're really passionate about.

The story obviously was more focused on Brett, and then he was sort of thrust into the

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