Naomi knows. She knows. The only reason that she has a daughter is because of Janine. And the daughter also means power. The daughter also means why I married Lawrence. The daughter is sort of the connective tissue to my power.

She might not admit that, Naomi, but she knows that she owes much of it to Janine.

You don't own me.

I know your property.

So take a shifty little beady eye over me. Welcome to Eyes on Gilead, an SBS podcast dedicated to The Handmaid's Tale.

There is a lot going on in this show, and we think it helps to talk it out.

I'm Fiona Williams, and I'm head of curation at SPS On Demand and I'm joined by my friends,

colleagues and fellow resistors.

Today we've got Natalie Hamley, journalist turned demologist.

Hi.

And Sana Khadar, host of All In The Mind podcast on ABC Radio National.

Hi.

Haiti can't make it today, but don't worry, she's coming back.

She's not going to miss the rest of this series.

Now, we usually gather to recap episodes of The Handmaid's Tale, and we're still watching along as the final season premieres to the world, and we'll have another one for you very soon.

But you know how much we love to drop a bonus episode when we have a special guest, and we've got a great one today.

Evercaradine, although you know her as Mrs. Naomi Putnam.

Oh, sorry, Mrs. Naomi Lawrence these days.

And she's going to join us momentarily.

Now, as mentioned, in our season six episode seven recap, I was on the set back in

December. I don't know if I've mentioned that class. Really? Wow. You think I would have brought

it up before now. Anyway, and I saw them film the scene, which was the bridal shower of Serena

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