I don't think I'm socially anxious. I think I'm a raging perfectionist. And my perfectionism

means that I am constantly calibrating how interesting you are in our conversation because

I'm desperately afraid of making you dislike me or be unhappy. And so I'm constantly watching

you for those kids. I think where maybe anxiety is a

little bit of a superpower is that I'm so attuned to that. I'm more Aaron's Meeley and this is the

anxious achiever. We look at stories from business leaders who have dealt with anxiety, depression,

or other mental health challenges,

how they fell down,

how they pick themselves up,

and how they hope workplaces can change in the future.

Today's guest has done over 2,000 speeches in her career. It's what she does.

She is a capital E expert.

But she still gets anxious before her talks.

And the meet and greets around her speeches, those are so hard. And after she's done,

she often worries she said the wrong thing. I wanted to have a conversation with a public

person who has anxiety because, let's face it, public speaking is hard. Anytime you stand up

in front of other people and put yourself out there, you're taking a risk.

And that is hard.

Networking is hard.

Interviews are hard.

And frankly, a lot of us are out of practice.

When you stand up in front of a room, you're asking people to like you and trust you.

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