Welcome to the Conversations that Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris and I have the privilege today of actually sitting down with my very own thesis director, Dr. Kerry Roberts.

Thank you for being willing to... I'm happy to do it.

Yeah.

Well, we've met many times in your office talking about the first book that I published.

Social Justice goes to church.

And there was a lot of things that you taught me or showed me or questions you asked that made me prompt me to explore further and come to some of the conclusions that many have found helpful.

I want to talk to you a little bit about

elites, evangelical elites in particular and the solution to the woke

incursion that's happening right now because I think a lot of people on the local

level in their churches laymen who you know they give they just want to see their family

prosper they they're very confused. They don't understand

exactly what's going on around them and they can't conceive of why people like

Russell Moore, David French, or Tim Keller keep selling them out to outlets like the New York Times.

And I know you have worked in Christian, a Christian institution obviously, which I'm very

grateful for. You've been around Christians, I'm assuming your whole life

just like I have. What explains this among people who say they believe the

Bible and yet they'll go to an outlet like the New York Times.

I think that it's important to understand the evangelical intelligentsia that really dominates a lot of channels of Christian belief systems. A lot of channels

through social media through journals through magazines.

This elite that kind of came into their own in the early 21st century is very different from previous evangelical elites.

They come from a different side of the class.

They may come from different regions of the country.

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