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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Thursday, May 30th. I'm Dorothy Wickendon, executive editor of The New Yorker.

A few months ago, in a conversation with George Stephanopoulos on ABC about cyber security threats, President Obama said,

We've made very clear to China and some other state actors that we expect them to follow

international norms and abide by international rules, and we'll have some pretty tough talk with them we already have.

Next week, President Obama will be meeting with the new Chinese president,

Xi Jinping, for two days in the California desert. Evan Osnos, John Seabrook, and James Sirwicki

are here today to talk about Chinese hacking and U.S. Chinese relations. So, Evan, on Monday,

we learned that the designs of major U.S. weapons systems were hacked by the Chinese.

Tell us about how serious this breach is and why we're learning about it now.

This was significant. This has kicked off a new round of concern about what has, in fact, been taken over the course of the last few years.

Some of these hacks go back as far as 2007, but now seeing it in total is quite

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