Hey, this is the moment of Brian Coppillment.

Thanks for listening.

My guest today just totally rules, Ava Victor,

who I've gotten to know personally because she is kicking

ass on billions in seasons five and six.

But whose work got my attention way before that,

and that's why Levine and I asked to meet her.

And then after spending some time together

realized we had a thing that we could write,

we were thinking about writing it right for.

And Ava, your work struck me because it seemed like you were

a fully formed artist in this new medium of making stuff

that just featured you, that's front-facing camera stuff.

And I want, we're going to get into your background

on a bunch of biographical stuff.

But can you just from the art, the standpoint

of an artist finding their voice?

Could you talk a little bit about the process you

went through to find the way that you wanted

to present that material and that character of Ava

in those videos?

Yeah, first off, I'm really happy to be here,

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