Hey everybody. Welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility. I'm Pete Bigelow, your host and reporter at the Automotive News.

And I'm Alexa St. John Tech and Suppliers reporter for Automotive News.

Alexa and I are fresh off the flights back from CES. All right, that's a little bit of a lie. We're here two or three days later, but we still feel like we are recovering from a very busy time in Vegas. How are you feeling today, Alexa?

I'm doing pretty good. I feel great about my experience at the show last week.

Your first time? Yes, definitely my first time. Certainly very exciting, very exhausting, but I was glad I was able to, you know, spend some time on the show floor in North Hall, a little bit in Central Hall, and really experience all the new vehicle technology

that everyone had out last week.

How was your experience?

It was pretty terrific.

I thought that having done CES CES many times now not to not to say

that I'm too old or anything at this point but I feel like I have learned the tricks to

getting around and avoiding the crowd.

So maybe we could do a whole podcast on that at some point.

Maybe next year that instead of having Gary Shapiro come back,

we can talk about the secrets to avoiding the worst parts of CES. Hey Hey there you go I think that'd be a

great idea. Excellent. We did have a lot of great conversations while we were in

Las Vegas and we have two guests on today that we had conversations with as a result of our time at

CES. The first is Ros Pelleg, who is the director of sales at At a Sky, which is a thermal

imaging company that that really brings kind of a unique

sensor perspective to autonomous vehicles. And we're also talking to Zavia

Mosquet. He is the managing director and a senior partner at Boston

Consulting Group.

He actually started the Detroit office for BCG here and he's been helping them track electric vehicles since 2009 and

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