You're listening to 20,000 Hertz.

The stories behind the world's most recognizable and interesting sounds.

I'm Dallas Taylor.

A while back, I sat down with Grace East, our producer here at DeFacto Sound, and Andrew Anderson, our resident European producer.

Andrew grew up in England and loved

sound and music from a very young age. For grad school, he moved to the U.S., specifically Indiana.

There, he worked in public radio, even hosting a local segment of all things considered.

Then, back in the UK, he was the editor-in-chief of an arts magazine, which is how I met him.

Eventually, with his wife, he moved to Bulgaria, where he opened a local bookshop

and became the lead singer in a post-punk band that was even featured on Bulgaria's Got Talent.

But the purpose of this meeting was for Andrew to try and teach us bumbling Americans about something

that we just can't grasp,

but that millions of people across the pond are obsessed with.

And that's Eurovision.

So, Andrew, you have been trying to convince the 20,000 Hertz team that we should care about Eurovision.

Is that right? Well, for me,

it's just one of those things that is so present growing up. Now, as a European person that lived in America for a while, I kind of have some experience with some of those things.

Like, I wasn't really aware growing up about what the Super Bowl was or the huge impact of it. And I kind of see

Eurovision as being our Super Bowl. So this is kind of a cultural exchange where I'm going to give

you our Super Bowl, which is Eurovision. And what's your hope for how we feel about Eurovision

once we finish this episode? My hope is that you'll grow to love it, but maybe you'll also be inspired America

to start adopting some of the Eurovision practices within the Super Bowl. So I'm thinking more

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