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Ridiculous History

Eurovision, Chapter Two: Pop Music as Problematic Diplomacy

Ridiculous History

iHeartPodcasts

History, Society & Culture

4.24.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Now, we know this is going to sound weird, but... it turns out one of the world's most popular pop music contests is also one of the world's best examples of 'soft diplomacy'. So what happens when countries that hate each other get together to determine the year's best song? Spoiler: it gets ridiculous. In today's episode, Ben, Noel and Max continue their obsession with the Eurovision Song Contest.

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0:00.0

Ridiculous History is a production of IHeart Radio. Welcome back to the show.

0:28.1

Fellow ridiculous historians.

0:29.6

Thank you, as always so much for tuning in.

0:32.8

Let's hear it for the man, the myth,

0:35.5

the guy beloved by professional juries and the public alike,

0:42.0

Mr. Max Williams.

0:44.1

I'm loved by non-professional juries, too.

0:47.3

Yes, yeah.

0:48.7

That's Noel Brown wooing in the background.

0:51.4

Thank you, Mr. Brown.

0:52.8

I woo.

0:53.2

And I'm able to be wooed, you know. Yes you. I'm the wooer. I'm able to, I like to be wooed, you know.

0:56.3

Yes, to woo and to woo. My name is Ben Bullen for tax purposes on this show. We are returning to our

1:05.6

exploration of a little thing called Eurovision. Now, previously, on ridiculous history,

1:13.2

the three of us delved deep into the origin story

1:17.8

of a thing that has become an international phenomenon.

1:22.6

But, Noel, you know, you and I were teasing this,

1:26.4

the entirety of our first chapter.

1:30.5

People do vote on Eurovision, even though it's a unifying thing.

1:35.3

It is at heart a competition, so there has to be a winner, and there can only be one.

1:42.8

Oh, Highlander rules, Ben, which is also intensely European.

1:47.1

Yes, cartoonishly so. Yeah, that's good.

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