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The Briefing Room

European defence in the new Trump era

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2024

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

All over Europe and in the corridors of Nato policy makers are discussing the implications for the continent of the Trump victory in the American presidential election. For 70 years the alliance with the USA has been the foundation stone of European defence. During his last term in office, it was reported that Trump wanted to take the US out of Nato. That didn’t happen but he made clear his discontent at the lack of defence spending among member states.

Can that alliance can be maintained, if so on what terms and if not, what then?

Guests: Heather Conley, a senior advisor to the think tank, the German Marshall Fund's (GMF) board of trustees Elisabeth Braw, who is now at the Atlantic Council’s Transatlantic Security Initiative Shashank Joshi, Defence Editor, of The Economist

Presenter: David Aaronovitch Producers: Charlotte McDonald, Kirsteen Knight and Beth Ashmead Latham Sound engineer: Rod Farquhar Editor: Richard Vadon Production Co-ordinator: Gemma Ashman

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:09.3

All over Europe and in the corridors of NATO,

0:12.5

policymakers are discussing the implications for the continent

0:15.5

of the Trump victory in the US presidential election.

0:19.5

For 70 years, the alliance with America

0:21.6

has been the foundation stone of European defence.

0:24.9

The question now is whether that alliance can be maintained,

0:28.9

if so, on what terms, and if not, what then?

0:33.7

So how worried should we be with a new but not quite new man in the White House?

0:39.2

Step into the briefing room and together we'll find out.

0:45.0

Let's start by reminding ourselves of how things went last time Donald Trump was in office.

0:50.3

Here with me is Heather Connolly a senior advisor to the Board of Trustees of the Think

0:54.7

Tank, the German Marshall Fund. She's down the line from Washington, D.C. Heather Connolly,

1:00.4

when Donald Trump first campaign for president back in 2016, what at that point was he saying

1:06.1

about NATO and European security, if anything? Well, I think President-elect Trump has always been very consistent.

1:12.5

You can even go back to the 1980s.

1:14.7

He saw America's allies as taking advantage of a weak America, whether that was in trade,

1:22.9

whether that was in defense, that the ally was getting the good deal and the United States was getting ripped

1:28.3

off. And of course, presidents have been saying that for decades. You can go back to Dwight

1:32.9

Eisenhower and asking European allies to pay 4% of their GDP on defense spending. But for the

1:39.3

first time, Donald Trump made the explicit threat. The United States would withdraw from NATO

1:44.1

if NATO allies did not put their fair share in.

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