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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Europe's drone wall – Could it hold back Russia?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

A series airspace violations by Russian jets and drones have increased tensions over European skies – could a new ‘drone wall’ now protect Europe’s Eastern flank? With plans announced for a new aerial defence system to protect Eastern borders, how would a drone wall work, and can the EU and NATO deliver on promises to improve Europe’s defences? In today’s episode, Oz Katerji talks to Justin Bronk, Senior Research Fellow for Airpower & Technology at RUSI. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to https://incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A series of EU airspace violations by jets and drones has increased tensions over European skies,

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and the continent is now scrambling to take action

1:13.7

to defend against aerial provocations its leaders have laid firmly at Russia's door. Now, as EU and

1:22.0

NATO leaders work to increase the continent's defenses, can a drone wall protect its airspace?

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