Russia is strategically in geopolitically in Europe.

Right.

So why to not have good ties with Russia?

And also, I don't know, maybe I don't know after the war and all this rhapsophobia that we have in the European Union about Russia.

I don't think it's possible, but theoretically it is possible for Russia. And at one point,

they wanted to join the EU. So you think EU will be good to take steps towards Russia,

normalize relationships, and maybe in the future get Russia in?

If we're going to be serious about democracy, then we have to be serious about recognizing

that there are certain elements of Russia that are democratic. They vote, they have states,

they have elections. So they might be corrupt in their processes, but they have the processes in place to be democratic.

So why not consider the future where Russia could be part of Europe? It already physically is part of Europe.

The reason Russia feels isolated from Europe. And in that isolation, they become

more aggressive. Yes. And push to China. Exactly. And China is not part of Europe. China does not

have any interest in seeing a stronger Europe. But Russia, Russia doesn't want to be

non-relevant.

Russia wants to be powerful.

Yes.

And in a world where China and United States, I think it strategically better for Russia to be inside Europe, which we are going to create the third big player.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And Russia knows that.

And maybe biggest player. But it doesn't have that choice right now. Yes, because of the fucking stupidity. Exactly. Exactly. And Russia knows that. And maybe the biggest player.

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