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Europe is dealing with Trump all wrong, according to his former national security adviser

Power Play

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🗓️ 20 February 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

President Donald Trump’s quick-fire approach to ending Russia’s war against Ukraine has left European allies worried they are being sidelined by the United States administration, as Washington and Moscow conduct direct negotiations. It has also caused a crisis in European capitals about the future of NATO, created in the wake of World War II to uphold security in Europe and protect it from a Russian threat. Now, it’s America that looks as if it's turning its back on NATO and Europe — in search of a grand bargain with Moscow. Host Anne McElvoy talks with John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations who also served as national security adviser under Trump, and Sanna Marin, Finland’s prime minister from 2019 to 2023, who led the country to its NATO accession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

President Donald Trump's quickfire approach to ending Russia's war against Ukraine

0:07.6

has left European allies worried that they're being brutally sidelined by the US administration

0:13.6

as Washington and Moscow conduct direct talks and the White House says a conclusion could be

0:19.8

reached in a matter of weeks.

0:22.2

It's also caused a crisis in European capitals about the future of NATO, created in the wake

0:29.2

of World War II to uphold security on the continent and protect it from a Russian threat.

0:35.4

Now it's America that looks like it's turning its back on NATO and Europe

0:39.7

in search of a grand bargain with Moscow. This week has effectively seen competitive talks,

0:46.5

a Russia-U.S. meeting of high-level officials in Saudi Arabia and an emergency summit of

0:52.0

European powers in Paris.

0:55.6

What happens next?

1:01.9

Welcome to PowerPlay Politico's weekly podcast,

1:05.8

where I talk to some of the voices shaping transatlantic relationships at a particularly consequential time for America's dealings with Europe, Russia, and of course,

1:12.5

an embattled Ukraine. I'm Anne McHelvoy. If you haven't already, please follow the podcast.

1:18.7

My guest this week is John Bolton, American diplomat, who served as a US national security

1:24.0

advisor under Donald Trump from April 2018 to September of the following year.

1:30.1

He's also held positions in previous Republican administrations, including as ambassador

1:35.4

to the United Nations under President George W. Bush.

1:39.5

Joining me later will be San Amaran who served as Finland's Prime Minister until 2023 and led the country

1:46.1

to its NATO accession. I recorded a conversation with her and with Jennifer Wilton, the editor-in-chief

1:52.5

of Die Welt at the Munich Security Conference. So do hang around for that. But first, John Bolton,

1:58.9

welcome to Power Play.

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