My guest is Alexander Madbichuk. She's a human rights lawyer and head of the Center for Civil Liberties that works to defend freedom and human dignity in Ukraine and the OSCE region. She has experience in creating horizontal structures for massive involvement of people in human rights activities against attacks on

rights and freedoms, as well as the multi-year practice of documenting violations during armed

conflict. She's the author of a number of reports to various UN bodies, the Council of Europe,

the European Union, the OSCE, and the International Criminal Court. After the beginning of Russia's

full-scale invasion,

and Alexandra, together with other partners,

created the Tribunal for Putin initiative

in order to document international crimes

under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court

in all regions of Ukraine, including the occupied territories.

In 2016, she received the Democracy Defender Award for her

exclusive contribution to promoting democracy and human rights from the OSCE. In 2017, she became

the first woman to participate in the Ukrainian emerging leaders program of Stanford University.

In 2022, Alexandra was awarded the Right Lively Award, the

Sakharov Prize in the European Parliament, and was recognized as one of the 25 influential

women in the world by the Financial Times. In 2022, she received the Nobel Peace Prize for the work

of her organization, the Center for Civil Liberties, and in 2025 this year, she received the Nobel Peace Prize for the work of her organization, the Center for Civil Liberties,

and in 2025 this year, she received the Dutch Auschwitz Award. Welcome to the podcast, Alexandra.

Thank you for invitation. Right. We should then crack on. And obviously, I think the most

obvious starting point, Alexandra, is a so-called peace deal,

being trying to be struck, presented by the United States and Russia.

Could you give me a, we know pretty well, of course, what the Ukrainian government thinks about

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