Oh, hey, it's that feeling you get when you put on a jacket you haven't worn since last year and find a ten dollar pill in the pocket.

Elation coupled with the anticipatory disappointment that it won't happen every time you put on a jacket.

Helen Zoltzman of the Illusionist podcast about language and a lump of the Oligis episode about etymology, which is the study of the origins of words.

Ali and I recorded it together in February 2019.

And that came about thanks to the website formerly known as Twitter.

So did used to be this nice time on it when for instance podcasters could make friends with each other over there.

I think this case someone asked Ali if she could invite me on an episode which was an easy yes for me.

So thank you most sincerely to that person because I got to be on this loveliest of podcasts and become offline friends with Ali.

I hope you'd have to verify with her of course.

Also as a result of me being on Oligis some of you started listening to my show The Illusionist.

So thank you very much for that and to Ali of course.

At the time we recorded I was only seven months out from my own podcast induced health crisis which we do talk about in this episode.

I landed in hospital in Pasmania for three and a half weeks because podcasting is a dangerous business.

And then I went back to work almost immediately after in retrospect.

It took me three more years to get to a point where work didn't have me on the brink of a perpetual physical and mental collapse.

But well worth the wait.

But hopefully it will take you less long Ali.

So as much as we all miss you don't come back too soon.

When you think you're ready go on vacation followed by a second vacation.

Then you can maybe consider coming back to work.

But perhaps you could just lie on the couch gazing at clouds or learn to play the harp.

Maybe you can already play the harp.

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