All right, Jay Dyer is with us. We're discussing morality. I guess how it applies to society today and

how it can be, how it's so vital to, I guess, how a society functions. Jay, if you could kind

to give us a little spiel on what your view of society's take on morality or how society needs to form an

objective morality or just kind of give your general thoughts sort of surface level going in.

Yeah, I'd say every society has some organizing ideal or principle or higher level

notion that it organizes around and it's kind of unavoidable.

And if you don't have that, you kind of have social breakdown.

We're seeing that now in the modern era and in the U.S., obviously. So it's kind of unavoidable

to have some notion of objective moral principles. There might be an area to which morals and

ethics has a malleable component, taboos, these kinds of things.

Cultural things change over time, but there has to be kind of basic principles that are

unchanging.

So, you know, things like the Tent Commandments, this kind of stuff.

If you believe the Christian worldview, those can't change or evolve or become the opposite

of themselves or whatever.

So every society needs these kinds of things for its own health and well-being.

So you can't really form a society on completely relativist,

subjectivist principles.

It'll break down.

So how would we convince our society or essentially shift our society in the right direction to believe, to unite behind one principle, like in the sense of, let's say, murder, right? You have some people who believe that murder is okay in certain situations. situations you have I guess religions that

believe murder is justified for people who are of different sexuality stuff like

that so if we had to convince our society and of course it would take a long time

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