On the podcast today, we're talking to Danny Ryan from Ethereumize and Joseph Lubin from Consensus,

who also recently has joined Sharpling Gaming to take Heath into a treasury vehicle on Wall Street.

Both of these individuals are doing their own strategy to bring Heath into the light in Wall Street.

Danny Ryan and Ethereumize are consulting.

They are advising Wall Street companies, working with Wall Street companies to teach them how to work

on Ethereum, how to use Ethereum and leverage Ethereum's utility to further their businesses

and also preach about ether the asset and how it belongs in Wall Street. And Joseph Lubin is doing the same thing

with a different strategy, with a different direction, just doing it himself by putting

ETH on the Sharplink gaming balance sheet, just like micro strategy is doing with Bitcoin.

This conversation was recorded recently at a permissionless panel that I moderated. And so we

are giving it to you here straight on the bankless podcast fee because I felt like

it was a pretty good conversation.

It was a modern take, one of the most modern takes about the strategy that each of these

and two individuals are using to bring ETH into the mainstream and some of the narratives

that they used to do so.

So let's go here from Danny and Joe right now here on the podcast.

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