From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

People trust you if you say, I want to make a million dollars, because they know exactly what you're doing.

And if you start saying, I want to make meaningful substantive art, or I really see the arts as the equivalent of a spiritual journey or something, they're like, get out of my office.

As a teenager, Ethan Hawke had a breakout role in Dead Poets Society.

Hawk's agents said they could make him into a huge star,

and they were not thrilled when Hawk said he had something else in mind.

Hawk tells us about pushing back against Uber agent Michael Ovitz, marching to his

own drumbeat and about directing his newest movie Blaze, the poignant story of little-known

country singer-songwriter, Blaze Foley. But first on the news banter, Disney's Big Gamble. Stay tuned,

it's the business from KCRW. I am joined by my colleague in banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood Reporter.

Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

So you had a chance to talk to Bob Eiger in connection with the Hollywood Reporter's Power List.

This is the top 100 powerful people as best as we can parse it right now.

He's number one again. He obviously sits atop Disney, which is hugely successful in many areas,

but facing some challenges. Now, one of those is the attempt to launch streaming services,

including one that will challenge Netflix. And Ken Zifrin, who's a

prominent attorney in town, wrote a piece saying that the attempt to take on Netflix will cost

a couple of billion dollars. Like this will be a significant drag, I guess, on Disney's earnings

for at least a couple of years. What did Bob Eiger tell you about that?

He acknowledges that, and he justifies it by saying that this is part of a transition that's going

to happen at every big entertainment conglomerate over the next five to ten years, is they are

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